Friday, May 1, 2020

Crack Wise With The Four Or Five Guys!© Dept. - Psychfan Blows His Mind

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Psychfan's credentials are exemplary. Graduating from the Bowery Correspondence Academy Of Pool with a swell diploma suitable for framing, he soon made his fortune winning rake fights at Amish hootenannies! Here he cracks wise about a subject dear to his heart - rutabaga husbandry. Take it away, Mr. Fan!

The Manilow Syndrome

In the late fifties and early sixties my neighborhood movie theater did a Saturday matinee that consisted of a kid movie paired with whatever was being shown to the general audience at night. This made for some odd pairings that no doubt contributed to the eclectic, post modern world view of even the dumbest kids as, for instance, Tarzan Goes To India collided with something starring Rock Hudson and Doris Day.


One consequence of this, however, was that I ended up seeing some musicals there. I had an intense dislike for musicals, having seen plenty of older ones on TV. Being mesmerized by the tube meant that I watched at least parts of them anyway but I was unhappy to have them intrude on my Saturday in the dark.
Some of them actually weren't bad though. In 1958 I liked Damn Yankees for it's sly humor even though some of it went over my seven year old head. In 1961 I was blown away by West Side Story even though I knew that it's lack of Rock and Roll made it completely inauthentic. I never did develop any love for the form itself, though, and still haven't.
 

Those experiences made me realize that there was a difference between stuff that was inconsistent with my own taste and stuff that sucks. There are many that never grasp that distinction, though.
 

I think about this a lot in relation to music, especially pop music which nearly everyone seems to experience through a time specific lens. My own taste in pop predictably fades in around 1955 and fades out around 1985 (Madonna helped to chase me away). It's not that I don't like anything newer than that; I just lost interest in keeping up in any systematic way and have no patience for listening to too much stuff I just don't like.
 

What kept me from tuning out entirely was the understanding that my reaction was partly subjective and that skill and even imagination were still at work, even in stuff I didn't necessarily like.
 

Take Barry Manilow, for instance [Please - Ed.]. Many would say that he has no talent. I disagree. The truth is that he's very capable and even talented. It's just that I have no use for what he does. Millions of other people do, however.
Does this mean that there are no objective standards and that nothing truly sucks (or is truly great)? Of course not! The 1960's and 1970's were the greatest time for music for a few easily indentified reasons. First and foremost, BABY BOOM. If there are X number of musical geniuses per thousand births there were more then than ever before. This also meant that the market was huge which emboldened record companies to reach beyond the lowest common denominator and actually market more adventurous music.
 

Combine that with much greater access to education, more media choices than ever before, huge advances in technology along with a restless rejection of the conformity that had followed the worldwide trauma of WWII and you have exceptionally fertile ground for artistic advancement. This took the form of mutated versions of various kinds of American folk music and, ultimately, jazz (the first 20th century musical form).
 

Back to Manilow (and Madonna). Their stuff is competently done but has little artistic vision as far as I can see (a key phrase here). Manilow would likely protest that his inspiration comes from Broadway and other traditional pop and Madonna that hers comes from disco but those seem to me to be impoverished and long exhausted sources that are, none the less, loved by many people.
 

The same is true of Country "Hat" acts, Top 40 rap acts, Taylor Swift etc. I don't like their stuff but is that a failure of perspective on my part? If I sound confused it's because I am.
 

I still hate musicals.

35 comments:

  1. I come to Barry Manilow, not to praise him.

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  2. That was sublime, Psychfan. 1985 was where I also lost interest.
    I've always "liked" how Manilow didn't write "I Write The Songs"

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    1. Thank you Mr. Cat. He may not have written that song but he was standing in for every songwriter who ever lived, including those pretentious 19th century longhairs.

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  3. While I admire your broadmindedness (perhaps charity) in recognizing Manly Barrilow's talent, I think he's the epitome [big story book - Ed.] of the huckster. Wayne Newton - someone else I can't stand - does have talent. Plucks an awesome banjolele, monologs with the best of them, what they used to call an all-round entertainer. Still Vegas Cheese in a can, but you can't - well, I can't - deny the talent. Manilow is like a male Shirley Bassey - he belts them out to a crowd of blue-rinsed madams and bath-house playboys who identify with his high-octane emotionalism. Neil Diamond is touched with this, too - in spite of his genuine song-writing credentials there remains something fake and empty about him as a performer.

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    1. It's playing to the lowest common denominator. Manilow and Madonna cleary possess talent, they just don't push boundaries (at least not anymore in Madonna's case).
      Nice job, Psychfan - although, I do hold a soft spot for certain musicals (the aformentioned West Side Story, Man of LaMancha, My Fair Lady).

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    2. Agreed about Neil Diamond. The tunes are fine, mostly, but there is something so offputtingly showboating and hammy and emotionally fake about his performances. The only Neil Diamond that I can listen to on a sustained basis are the two albums he cut with Rick Rubin that were obviously inspired by Johnny Cash's American Recordings series, "12 Songs" and "Home Before Dark".

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  4. Madonna - I seem to remember her being called a 'second-rate performance artist'. Another candidate for this - Garth Brooks. Quote from Steve Earle 'If Garth Brooks is country, then I hope to God I'm not.' Leaving aside Hollywood musicals, many of which I am partial to, to me, if you have to wear silly costumes and fill the stage with half-naked dancers or some such, then it means the songs won't stand up on their own, distraction is needed from their poverty.
    (Oh, and thanks to Farq for the accolade, even though I don't have a large S. or large anything come to that......on second thoughts I do pride myself on having a large vocabulary. It sits on my shelf next to Finnegans Wake.......

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  5. As a Gen-Xer growing up when pap like Manilow, REO Speedwagon, Madonna, Flock of Seagulls, etc. dominated the airwaves I will point out that it led to another wave of musical counter-culture that railed against the corporate/conformist AOR culture. Like the 60s it had it's flashes of creative brilliance (Television, Minutemen, Patti Smith, X, Talking Heads, etc.) as well as a ton of more banal followers and imitators. It blossomed into a fairly rich variety of post-punk and Indie Rock none of which was ever heard on commercial radio until one small sub-set suddenly "broke" and became a new type of mainstream AOR pap for awhile in the 90s. I think part of the problem with mainstream pop is that much of it is all written by the same handful of writers/producers who just find new pretty faces to autotune.

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    1. Not to say that I don't agree with almost everything psychfan said! The 1980s is when the airwaves went to shit and I don't blame anyone for tuning out; some of us youngin's were just starting to turn on, tune in, and drop out from that insipid culture

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  6. The difference between Mannilow and Madonna is that the former was always cheese and never tried to be more than the lowest common denominator. I really don't think you can say the same thing for Madonna. She tried to push what it means to be a female pop star and what she could get away with. She doesn't have a great voice, but then again, neither does Dylan, right?! Her problem is that after she did her twin reinventions in the 90s/early 2000s (with "Ray of Light" and "Music" respectively), there was no place else to go. Now it's cheesy retro-disco and useless provocation tactics from someone clearly behind her prime. Goes to show how difficult it is to grow old in pop music. In country, getting old and grizzled gets you cred, in pop it gets you shaking heads and pitiful looks.

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  7. Mass media with a potential audience of millions is a relatively new pheonemon in human history, so it's development is pretty clear. As others have noted some artists specalize in blatantly pushing buttons and do very well in the market as a result. They deserve the contempt they receive for being so cynical about it.
    Others do it with a little or a lot more subtlety and win Oscars and the like. I have no real complaint with those people. They need to use something other than raw talent to make that trick work. The Beatles taught me that being popular doesn't mean that the work is bad.
    Thanks for your comments and thanks to Farq for the forum.

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  8. Has anyone here actually bought a Manilow or Madonna album?

    In 1986 I bought Madonna's "True Blue" as a present for my niece's 14th birthday, as requested by her. My sister was not happy, and showed much disdain. What's funny is this: the last time I witnessed that much disdain over a record, was by my mother when my sister brought home Janis Joplin's "Cheap Thrills" album.

    Just an observation.

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    1. Seeing how I'm, like, half your age (okay, slight exaggeration here) I bought a couple of Madonna records, yes.

      And I insist that "Like A Prayer" is a really good album of pop music. It was definitely the high water mark in terms of music for her. Sadly, she could only go down from there and that was, oof, more than thirty years ago.

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    2. No Mannilow, though. Fuck that guy. Hell, even as a kid who would sing along to "Mandy" on the radio, when I was old enough to buy records I wouldn't buy that...

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  9. Speaking of: Of course Garth isn't country, he grew up on Styx, Boston, Billy Joel, stuff like that. So of course his music is where AOR/MOR rock and country shack up to unleash their unholy brethren on the world. And I say that as someone who actually likes and has quite a bit of Brooks' music.

    But it's not like Brooks was the first one to do this, country was filled with MOR cheese since at least the mid-70s, he just perfected the formula. And no doubt it was a formula. You can see he studied marketing, because more than anything else his albums are examples of an almost Disney-ian marketing practice: always exactly ten songs, the required amount of at least one western swing/uptempo 'humorous' number (which I always hated) to go with the ballads and uptempo AOR-country.

    He was always the most calculated of musicians. It's just that in country, "authenticity" - however fake or simulated - is part of the allure, the themes and the presentation. I would think that makes him the face of what a lot of people hate about modern country music and the hat acts of the 1990s. Brooks never picked any cotton. Then again, a lot of other folks didn't either, and that doesn't stop them from being revered.

    Gram Parsons, the rich trust fund kid and Harvard student, wasn't more authentically country than Brooks.

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  10. MrDave has correctly pointed out the cycle of control, conformity and rebellion that defines Rock history.
    I was 10 years old in 1962. The first wave of Rock & Roll had come and gone without me hearing much of it. By then the record companies had figured out how to respond to the genuinely underground phenomenon (a rebellion against bland 50's pop) that early rock was and replace it with cheesy teen pop and novelty records.
    I was (mostly) unimpressed and liked folk music better, though I've come to like the best 1962 pop more over time. By the mid sixties the pop machine was aimed directly at me specifically and I was (mostly) lapping it up along with the stuff that was truly less commercial. By the mid 70's the corporations were in control again and punks quite rightly sneered at the status quo. And so on and so forth.........
    One Buck Guy likes early Madonna and sees something in those records that's truly worth listening to. I don't get that but I understand that it's because I can never entirely share his perspective. Even though we lived on the same planet at the same time my zeitgeist was not the same as his.

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    1. nah, One Buck Guy just has shit taste ;p

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    2. Dude, early Madonna is like "Holiday" which I'm not a fan of. Even though she doesn't have a great voice, her singing DID get better from her helium squeak early days. And I bought Madonna records around the same time I started really collecting albums in the late 90s. So, while her stuff was on, I didn't get it, at all.

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  11. Yawning Angel sez...

    Sweet deep-fried Jesus on a stick. Manilow? Madonna? Brooks? And no one has anything to say about the anti-Christ, Kenny Rogers? These are truly the end times.

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    1. C'mon man. Don't be that guy. "Hippie Kenny" wasn't always the biggest or best arbiter of taste and would duet with Satan if he asked nicely, but he certainly isn't Satan himself. Plus he's way cooler than people give him credit for. Riskier, too. "Coward of the County" with its depiction of gangbang rape? "Ruby Don't Take Your Love To Town" where the crippled vet gets cuckolded? He did some really nice stuff with the New Edition.

      And anyone who doesn't recognize how cool of a song "The Gambler" is...well, what can I tell ya, fella. Dark times indeed...

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  12. Barry Manilow, Barry Schmanilow. Let's talk about Kacey Musgraves. Is she great, the savior of country music, or someone who's time has already come & gone?

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    1. If she's post '75, she's already come and gone by definition, but please recommend something.

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    2. Kacey live in a small studio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DtwEqG0JPw.

      And another live one -- an unreleased song called "(I'd like to) Burn One With John Prine (with John sitting next to her): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-pRJxCKR8

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    3. Kacey Musgraves is great. Fine lyricist, too ("and just like dust we settle in this town"). Her glamourous-bad-ass-act can look a bit studied at times, a little like Lana Del Rey, but the music is fine, indeed.

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  13. Barry Manilow was chosen because he's a textbook example of someone who polarizes opinion. Witness the reaction he provokes here.

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    1. You did well! We're having a fine time, thanks to you!

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    2. But...was there really any chance anyone, on this blog, would stick up for friggin' Barry Manilow? Lots of folks polarize opinions, but on this music blog for connaisseurs [French for "con men", Ed.] bringing up Manilow is a little like shooting fish in a barrel, no?

      I think Farq's gentle shitting on the Beatles and their legacy is probably much closer to an edgy opinion.

      But hey, how about Rod Stewart? I don't know why, but when I picture Barry Manilow I always end up being reminded of Ol' Roderick. Must be the hair or something. Now Roddy, here's a guy that went from great to Barry Manilow-like joke in less than five years. Ah well, at least, Sir Roderick has a pretty impressive "before they sucked"-phase, whereas I still need to be convinced Manilow has anything but a "sucks all the time" phase.

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  14. https://web.archive.org/web/20040117071436/http://heliocd.com/nys01.html
    = a 20 year old reminiscence of a 20 years earlier night to remember feat. Madonna & selected family members [a tad too long to reprint hence linked] if any are interested...

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  15. Fair enough. Love, war, etc. Diatribe disclaimer Dept.:

    The following discourse was written PRIOR to my seeing that "polarize" part... And no, I'm not wearing my sunglasses at night. Very Rod, I must say.


    I dunno yet if it's hilarious or disturbing. Or just plain scary. This debating the merits of Madge aka Ms. "Bad publicity is still publicity" vs. Barely Maninuff...

    What next, a no-holds-barred cage match between Zamfir and Boxcar Willie?

    (I know, I know, I think I've used that one here before...)

    Midler vs. Feidler?

    Middling Fiddlers???

    Speeching of redneck-itude...

    Isn't Sattydey nite traditionally set aside here for a big wrasslin' match...?

    Or is that "Sooooo 2019"...?

    (Dept. of Fine Print Dept.):
    Points off for anyone using the phrase "a fan of" in future replies. Especially when it ends a sentence.

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    1. I'll try to post a Cagefight later, but we have a lot of no electricity right now. If you ever saw Thai electricity cables slung down the street, across rooftops, over palm trees ... anyway ... a few guys buzzing with Red Bull and wearing pool shoes are coming to make things splendid, I'm sure.

      Love yr work, B.B! A fan of!

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    2. My work? Who ON EARTH has WORK?!

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    3. (I gave you a "pass" as the sentence ended with: "!"...)

      Zoinks!

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