On tour, '74. Reedsman Del Simmons paying his mortgage, left. |
"Horrible and vulgar" was how Van Vliet described today's Beefheart Bonanza albums, after he belatedy realised he'd made a critical mis-step that alienated old fans and won him no new ones. But he was prone to this kind of Stalinist revisionism, having disowned the awe-inspiring Strictly Personal [here - Ed.] after first (rightly) approving Bob Krasnow's head-bending production. It may be difficult to believe that the Captain lacked self-confidence, but it's a control freak trait, covered up by blabber n' smoke.
The Magic Band walked out on hearing Unconditionally Guaranteed. That's the story. But hadn't they heard what they were playing in the studio? Weren't they listening to the songs? The album was produced and sweetened after final takes, as Clear Spot had been, but the basic nature of the songs didn't change after the band left the studio. In short, everyone knew what they were doing, and there were ample opportunities to change direction or walk out before the record hit the racks and the shit hit the fans.
Liberated at last from Van Vliet's bullying, abuse and thievery, and free to follow their Zen Art Dude muse, the Magic Band reformed as Mallard, drafting in a supperclub Beefheart soundalike, and cut a couple of pleasant, conventional albums far closer in spirit and sound to Unconditionally Guaranteed than any earlier Beefheart albums. Only not as good. So there's that.
Unconditionally Guaranteed is the Magic Band, with three odd additions: Andy DiMartino, songwriter and producer who played guitar. Mark Marcellino, keyboard player with no other recorded history other than songwriting input (with DiMartino) on a Buckwheat album, and Del Simmons, session flautist/reedsman with fewer session dates than Marcellino. Perhaps they were hanging around the watercooler at Mercury Records. After his band flounced, Beefheart had four days to hire a pick-up band for a European tour. Drummer Ty Grimes had played with Rick Nelson, so he had to be good, but of the others only Michael Smotherman seems to have any track record (that Buckwheat connection again). The live album, cleanly produced by DiMartino, is better than you might expect, or not as bad as you fear. The necessarily simpler arrangements of familiar songs are crowd-pleasing blues and boogie, in some ways a throwback to the Mirror Man sessions [⬅︎ original critical aperçu - Ed.], and only the critics complained that it wasn't the real Magic Band. But tragic? Heroic, more like. What a thankless gig.
EDIT: I'm relistening to the live album and it's not only better than you might expect, but much better than I remembered. Boogies along very nicely, great playing, terrific recording. Included in loaddown.
The follow-up album for Mercury, Blue Jeans And Moonbeams, [cover art by The Mascara Snake - Ed.] was the only Beefheart album my girlfriend liked, so naturally it got sneered at by me and everybody else who saw it as a total artistic betrayal. The critical vitriol spewed on this album is weapons-grade toxic. Some see it as slightly better than the previous album, some as even worse, but everybody thinks it stinks. Except those undiscriminating souls - such as je - who are able to enjoy it for what it is, a nice album, which isn't enough for the furrowed-brow difficult listening crowd. But I'll take the tragic band over the virtuosi who made Doc At The Radar Station and Ice Cream For Crow. Those guys were academically rigorous, awesomely accomplished, but by then Van Vliet had simply run out of tunes. And ideas.
Babs is down at the falafel joint, so we have to wait for her to chair the Mass Debate.
ReplyDeleteToday's subject for mass debate is: in your opinion, what's the most overrated album?
DeleteNo contest: https://falsememoryfoam.blogspot.com/2021/06/beatlemania-dept-thirty-shades-of-gray.html
DeleteThat's quite a thread!
DeleteHowever, I think 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band', is the most overrated, followed by 'London Calling'.
Followed by 'Kind of Blue'
DeleteKind Of Blue is the Miles album for people who don't like jazz. London Calling is the punk album for people who don't like punk. Sgt Pepper isn't rated as highly as Revolver or The White Album (or, god help us, Abbey Road) by the people who bought Kind Of Blue and London Calling.
DeleteBoston and Hotel California. Don't understand the appeal of either.
DeleteGbrand
I think the comments about Kind of Blue are kind of harsh. However, one thing that always bothered me about that album is that each track ends with a fadeout. Great Jazz albums should not have fadeouts. One Jazz album that I do think is overrated is A Love Supreme. As much as I love Coltrane, I rate several of his other albums more highly.
DeleteForgot to sign my last comment. Gbrand
DeleteThank you, Gbrand! I dig KOB, but it's true that it's the jazz album people who don't like jazz buy. They'd be happier with Quiet Nights, but that doesn't get the praise heaped on it.
DeleteI agree with Babs 100% re Sgt Pepper.
DeleteI'll just add:
Tommy - the Who
Aja - Steely Dan
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John
The thing about Pepper is that it was at the time hugely overrated - "best pop album ever made" etc. - but popular and critical opinion has relegated it over the years to third place, maybe lower, in the Beetles canon, after (in no order) Abbey Road, the White Album, Revolver (the only one in the list that is better than Pepper), and possibly A Hard Day's Night. My point? It was overrated, but is no longer. It's just rated. The Beatles albums that are today hugely overrated are the White Album (dreadful) and Abbey Road (half an album).
DeleteSpeaking of overrated Jazz albums that people who don't like jazz buy is Brubeck's 'Time Out'
DeleteBrubeck generally. But I like him, because part of me is a white suburbanite in a button-down shirt who laughs at Dave Berg cartoons and notes his RIAA curve settings on inner sleeves and narrows his eyes speculatively at the babysitter and drinks secretly at the office trying to blot out the seething insect chaos under the thin veneer of my so-called life.
DeleteSo what should I go for, Babs?
DeleteYou mean, who should I go for - Babs?
DeleteYou're right, Who should I go for Babs? Although I too may suffer the white suburbanite syndrome so eloquently expressed above.
DeleteI think you should go for Babs.
DeleteMy cap is firmly set.
DeleteWhat Jazz albums do you have and enjoy, Nobby?
DeleteKind of Blue, Love Supreme (but I'm not knocked out by it, I don't get the vocally bit), Billie Holiday, Chet Baker, Bix Beiderbecke.
DeleteYears ago I got a blue note sampler cd Titans of the Tenor Sax, which I really like - I think that's the closest that I'm after :
1 Dexter Gordon– It's For You Or No One
2 Dexter Gordon– I Guess I'll Hang My Tears Out To Dry
3 Sonny Rollins– How Are Things In Glocca Morra ?
4 Sonny Rollins– Reflections
5 John Coltrane– Blue Train
Of those my favourites are 1 & 5 but I like them all
Here are five classic albums that are easily metabolized (even by white-boy suburbanites, lol).
DeleteThelonious Monk 'Monk's Dream'
John Coltrane 'Giant Steps'
Sonny Rollins 'Way Out West'
Miles Davis 'Someday My Prince Will Come'
Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers 'Mosaic'
https://workupload.com/file/EApTYZjvVaA
Cheers Babs, or should I say Ma'am, thanks for the guidance, now get back to your birthday celebrations, and turn the volume up.
Delete(Untitled) by the Byrds. People who cite this as their favourite Byrds album clearly have no idea what the group was about...
ReplyDelete*attempts whiteboy high five with John, misses, topples into shrubbery*
DeleteOverated albums on the list so far
ReplyDeleteAgree : Sgt Pep, White Album,Tommy, Hotel Calif,
Disagree : Kind of Blue, London Calling - even though it's not punk, I still rate it.
To add to the list - anything by Led Zep, Genesis or Abba
Not wanting to be too controversial, but I can't understand the appeal of Pet Sounds - I wouldn't dare say it's overated, rather I just don't get it yet, probably just need to give it a few more goes. Similar with The Byrds - quite like them in all their guises but just can't elevate them to the reverenace that everyone seems to hold them in.
From the comments so far, I need to find time to listen to Quiet Nights plus some other Coltrane.
I guess I can't go along with any over/under rating process cos to me music is so tied up with time and place, so Beatles For Sale will always be the best Beatles album, and don't you dare disagree!
*winces*
DeleteI'll get my coat
DeleteFais pas la gueule cheri! Reviens!
DeleteWhat's kind of funny, is that 'Kind of Blue' and 'London Calling' are two of the many albums listed here that are in my regular rotation. Just because they're overrated doesn't they're not any good.
Delete'Beatles For Sale' didn't exist on this side of the Atlantic until 1987.
Give 'Pet Sounds' some time.
Beatles For Sale is garbage. I can say this now because nobody's reading these comments any more.
Deletethat's what you think bub! i heard what you said about beetles for salesmen! i am outraged at your kindness! garbage is the best you can do?
Deletealso the current most absolutely stoopidly unfathomably ridiculously overrated album is unquestionably that stinkin' new stones. it sounds like an ai concoction from start to finish. pale approximations of some machine's idea of what a new stones album would sound like. that moron new producer must have been raised on the sound of samples and never heard an actual musician in his life. the rush to love by the critics on this one is an insult to the world's greatest rock and roll band. i note that they give the producer songwriter credits just to cover their asses. they need to blame this crap on SOMEONE! it took jagger 18 years to think of the most throwaway lyrics of his career??!! WTF?? i have listened to the stones every single day for the last 60 years. they are essential to me. this whole album is just plain WRONG!
*This* is where you're hiding with your controversial and challenging take on that fine, fine album? For shame!
Deletei thought we were playing "hide and go comment".
Deleteshame was abandoned long ago, when i ripped off my playsuit on a crowded streetcar in pittsburgh at the age of 3.
Queen - A Day at The Races, and all their subsequent LP's.
ReplyDeletePhil Collins - No Jacket Required, a number one LP all over the world!
The Who - Tommy. I had heard how great The Who were, and had a wonderful compilation album featuring 3 or 4 tracks from Tommy. Years later when I excitedly purchased Tommy I couldn't believe how bad it was, maybe it's an album of its time, I bought it in the 80's.
I've had a single-album Tommy on the back burner for years, but I'm not convinced there's even a single album there.
DeleteI'm not convinced "Quadrophenia" even has an EP.
DeleteOh, I like Quadrophenia. Not for its tunes, but for its sound.
DeleteEvery few years I'll come back to Quadrophenia but apart from 5.15 nothing grabs me.
DeleteQuadrophenia is way better than Tommy IMHO.
DeleteFleetwood Mac 'Rumors'
ReplyDeleteFleetwood Mac "Then Play On"
DeleteJust about anything by them that isn't on Greatest Hits (the red one from 1971)
DeleteAnything FM did after Peter Green went all psychedelic on us.
DeleteI dig the Bob Welch albums.
DeleteMe too, but mostly because of Danny Kirwan...
DeleteI always suspected Bob Welch became part of the band because England Dan and John Ford Coley had other commitments. What a putz! But on the other hand, I'm the kind of guy who thinks the 20 minutes of good songs on Kiln House make up the best FM album by far, so don't pay me any mind.
DeleteHey, "anonymous" (give yerself a handle!) Kiln House is half an album at best. Bare Trees is, pound for pound, the better album.
DeleteBob Welch is the Bob Dorough of rock and roll — Babs, at least, may appreciate the comparison — and therefore you must be mistaken. He doesn't sing so much as ever-so-gently whine, and everyone knows whining is OK and even sometimes de rigeur in pop music but wholly unacceptable in rock and roll. The 20 minutes of good music on Kiln House constitutes an actual too-short rock and roll album; Bare Trees, despite its several good qualities, is, thanks to Bob's wet-blanket influence, a pop album and therefore inferior. You wanna take this outside (the borders of our respective countries)?
DeleteI love your comment, festoonic. But sometimes I need to hear a wet blanket with terrible glasses and hair whine about the Bermuda Triangle. Don't deny me this simple pleasure.
Delete(Yes, I know who Bob Dorough is. I'll take the wet blanket, thanks.)
Still on topic (slightly). One of the greatest albums of the 1990's (my fact) was featured by Steve Shark last week, Cardiacs album "Sing to God". Did anyone d/load and listen to it? and did anyone enjoy the experience?
ReplyDeleteThere didn't seem much enthusiasm for it. As I said - Marmite.
DeleteHi Bambi, yep I'm really enjoying it -Dog like sparky is favourite at present, good to find someone I'd never heard of before.
DeleteAlso from the Isle of Foam, currently liking Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (thanks Farq) and Floyd Dixon (thanks Babs) and trying to find time to listen to Beefheart, Blue Note,, Shawn Phillips etc
Nobster, if you can watch it on a decent sized tv with good sound I must recommend the pro filmed Cardiacs concert film from 1990 below:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_I-c6QUOQ
every beetles album is worthy of that designation. also, i am still pissed off at getting sucked in by critical tidal waves for stuff like tommy when i should have been listening to bo diddley.
ReplyDeleteThe eponymous titled, Bo Diddley, is a criminally overlooked album.
DeleteVery well put - going back to the source usually pays off. I remember being knocked out by Elvis P's Sun stuff about the time he died and understanding whaf the fuss was about. Over the past few years I've been discovering Louis Jordan and similar and wished I'd found it years ago.
DeleteGo on then, gal!
DeleteI posted a comment but it's disappeared? Some meanderings about it being good to go back to the source and discovering Elvis's Sun stuff and Louis Jordan, anyway you get my drift...
DeleteThe first time I heard Bo Diddley's 'Bo Diddley’ album was in 1958, when I was 11 (by the way, today is my 75th birthday), when my older brother brought it home. I vividly remember dancing around to that Bo Diddley beat, and how it drove my parents crazy, and my father saying “Every damn song sounds the same!”.
DeleteThis is the real deal.
https://workupload.com/file/Q4hhbjXjRJb
Happy birthday Babs.
Delete“Every damn song sounds the same!” is what I say now if I accidentally hear a 'pop' radio station here in the uk.
Happy birthday, Babs!
DeleteHave a really lovely day.
Happy birthday, wow just think if there'd been a mixup at the maternity hospitals, you could have been married to Prince Charles (lucky escape!)
DeleteGood thing I was born in Brooklyn. Although, "Babs, the Duchess of Cornwall" does have a certain ring to it.
DeleteHappy Boit'day, Swee'pants! *snaps elastic bowtie"
DeleteI discovered Louis Jordan in '83. He's well worth a deep dive. "Ain't That Just Like A Woman" has a riff that is pretty much "the Chuck Berry Riff" years before Chuck recorded. I think he did it as double-stops, though.
DeleteLouis Jordan "That's Rock n' Roll!" IN FLAC! https://workupload.com/file/dqwz6HNhFS5
DeleteThanks Farq, FLAC eh, who does it think it is, showing off like that. I'll soon get the bugger knocked down to size.
DeleteI apologise for this obese Mar-a-Lago upload. It's as I downloaded it from billionairebitrate.com
DeleteKing Crimson's first. One great track - Schizoid Man - and the rest is filler.
ReplyDeleteEvery King Crimson album. Every David Bowie album.
DeleteKC - no, no, no - some of favourite lps. DB - couldn't agree more .
DeleteAfter SteveSharks KC comment above, I'm just going to have a bit of a lie down......
Delete...... did he say, and the rest is filler?..... oh I think I've got a nosebleed starting.
The title track's OK, too.
DeleteBroadly speaking, it's the Bruford years that really float my boat - particularly when Wetton was in the band.
I think the Crims c.1973 & 74 were probably the finest improvising rock band of all time.
I agree with you re the 73 74 band, stupendous but I can't go along with Epitaph and Crimson King as filler tch tch.. My next favourite is Islands with Mel Collins sax solo on Ladies of the Road being a particular highlight, but the whole album is up there with the best.
DeleteSorry, the sax solo was on The Letters, silly me! Impaled on nails of ice...
DeleteYep the 73/74 era Crimson stuff is my favorite too.
DeleteThe Beach Boys "15 Big Ones" - I am personally and uniquely responsible for overrating this album. I think it's terrific.
ReplyDeletePrefer "Love You"...
DeleteUntil I visited this Foamy Isle my only Beach Boys album was Endless Summer on Capitol, double vinyl with a running time not exceeding 13 minutes a side, needless to say it sounded great and loud.
DeleteEndless Summer is one of the truly great comps. And very important in reviving the group. I know Love You is preferred (by fans and critics) over 15 Big Ones, but my love for that shitty album is unreasoning.
DeleteAnonymous mentioned fade-out endings in jazz. But I have often wondered who did the fade-out first in a pop or whatever recording.
ReplyDeleteOh, and happy birthday Babs.
If memory serves, Clar - *cough* - the first commercially popular single recorded on magnetic tape to have a fade-out would surely be Vaughn Monroe's 1949 chart-topper "Riders In The Sky (A Cowboy Legend)" on RCA Victor.
DeleteANY YOUSE BUMS WANT DESE SWELL REKKIDS? AX!
ReplyDeleteAsking. I think Kind of Blue and Take Five get dissed because of their breakthrough sales. A lot of people bought them that would never buy Ornette or Monk or Kirk. But that shouldn't keep us from admitting that they're both great albums.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you'll find any of the 4/5g© in disagreement with that, Huge. Here's ya link: https://workupload.com/file/XRKmzdCRYBM
DeleteAnd happy birthday, Babs. 75 myself. Not so bad.
ReplyDeleteYou're 75? Really? I'd pitchered you as a younger man. 73, 74 ...
DeleteWait... has no bum yet aksed?! Allow me to be the first bum, then. Please, sir, I would some more Beefheart. For me the overrated Beatles album is Abbey Road and slightly overrated is the White Album; I think Revolver (their best) and Sgt Pepper are rated just fine.
ReplyDeleteThe link is here, Chris: July 18, 2022 at 6:57 AM. And check out the Hello Goodbye album.
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