Thursday, August 5, 2021

Delta Del Dept. - The Slop Done Rose To Th' Top

Delta Del (at right) ponders solecism inherent in concept of time expressed as linear intervals. Legacy Foam-O-Graph© - "pearls for swine!™"

Greetings Islanders! Delta Del here with another educational blues-related piece. Having explored the previously unknown genre of Free Blues, I now turn my attention to the little-understood phenomenon of Semi-Sloppiness. Regular Island visitors may recall mention in a recent T-Bone Walker comments section of “semi-sloppy” guitar playing. But what is it? A force for good, or a lazy mess born of ignorance and intoxication? And either way, where can I get me some?

When I told Farq that I was planning this piece, he cautioned against the project [no he didn't - Ed.], telling me that in attempting to dissect and analyse semi-sloppiness I would be messin with forces that I don't understand. I’d be trying to shove a strange-beautiful vibe into a killing jar and pin it down in a display case in the Island museum. I’d be shooting an endangered species just so I can paint it accurately. Jeez Farq, says I, back off with the heavy analogies willya? Of course Farq was not aware that my training as a Free Blues Advocate-Practitioner included a Semi-Sloppin' module, so I had already devoted many hours of research and study to this subject (and seventeen sheets of hand-written A4, the narrow-lined stuff, with illustrations, laminated, in a nice binder). It certainly shook up my thoughts about guitar playing, and the slop done rose to the top.

As a Free Blues guitarist, I hate precision unless its written on my bassman’s Fender. For slop-heads like me, accurate is never the point, but try telling that to the plague of tribute bands. And flawless is a bore. A recording engineer of some repute, tired of a steady flow of perfectly competent music college graduates, once told me that the way an unschooled player’s limitations shape their music makes them a much more interesting listen, and challenge, for a pro like him. I hit the tattoo place next door to the studio, and since that fateful day my bared chest informs the world that “My Limitations Make Me Interesting”. It does also state that “Del luvs Claire & Claire luvs Del” but alas the second part of that one ceased to apply in September 1982. She left while I was temporarily unconscious, but not before using an indelible marker pen to change “Interesting” to “Intolerable”.

But of course the ability to play in a semi-sloppy style and have it sound NATURAL and RIGHT is not a limitation, it is a superpower. I don't claim to have that power, but I have aspired to it, glimpsed it, perhaps even grasped it briefly on occasion. But the really cool thing about semi-sloppin … even after 50 years, seventeen pages and a nice binder, I still don’t know what it is. Which is why I’m instigating a survey, sure to be useful in my PhD thesis, among the 4or5 Island regulars. There follows a questionnaire to which interested parties should respond via the comments section.

QUESTION 1
Semi-slop washed up on the Island via Eric’s comment on T-Bone Walker (Hi Eric!). Farq’s reply cited Jimi. What other artists are on the list of semi-sloppers? Any bands loaded with semi-slop players? This doesn’t have to be restricted to blues-type guitarists. And who among us knows enough about jazz to tell me what the slop is goin on with Monk?

QUESTION 2
Is semi-sloppin all about timing and time-keeping? Is it exclusively a groove thing? Is there a connection between semi-sloppin and an African sense of timing? Does that sense form the basis of an African-American version audible in the work of T-Bone and Monk? The swing factor? The teasing of the one? Which one? The Other One?

QUESTION 3
Yes what about them Whiteboys? Are the Dead jammin up a slop or not? Keef … perma-stoned or slop chops finely honed? Them Feats … so tight yet somehow so loose? How is such a contradiction possible and is it true semi-slop?

QUESTION 4
What’s geography got to do with it? Does Louisiana’s groovy gumbo make it your favourite one-stop slop-shop?

QUESTION 5
What’s technology got to do with it? Do those accusing Jimi of being a sloppy player ever stop for just a single second to appreciate his control of high volume amps, early unpredictable effects units and wild feedback? No. Oooh what a messy riff that was! Aha he came in a millisecond late on that change! You people, honestly.

QUESTION 6
Where was I? Oh yes, is it possible to construct a version of semi-sloppy via tightly written and arranged parts that play around with time signatures and create unexpected phrase shapes? Can clever clogs cook up a fully-fake semi-slop?

QUESTION 7
Does anybody really think semi-sloppin is just lazy, sub-standard players who should knuckle down and practice until they have erased this defect from their playing? If so, see me afterwards. Outside.

No conferring please. Mobile phones must be switched off. Your time started a while back, and it will be all over before you know it. Hand your completed answers in to the comments section and leave quietly.

And by the way, when I submitted my initial outline for this piece to Ed. (mid 40’s my ass) he was reluctant to give the OK. He referred the matter to Farq (mid 50’s my ass), or Mr Throckmorton, Sir as Farq insists on being addressed by his staff. Farq didn’t seem terribly keen (killing jars, endangered species etc.) so I whipped out my Semi-Sloppin module binder. Here Farq, says I, check out this nice binder. He thumbed through a few pages, muttered an appreciative mm ... laminated as he fingered a striking full-page portrait of Claudia Lennear [left - Ed.], grunted a grudging “OK go for it”, and turned his attention back to his latest Foam-O-Graph©, which appeared to involve Bob Ross body-painting a log cabin (with fir trees) on Myra’s wrinkled folds. I hope he will concede that he made the right decision in okaying this piece. We must all hope that his decisions concerning Foam-O-Graphs© will eventually improve.

55 comments:

  1. Gee! Is this ever swell screed! I had to make a couple changes - I couldn't find a really hot pitcher of Chaka Khan (Del's choice) but I had one of Claudia *Phew*! Lennear so hope he'll forgive the edit. Also he referred to the patented and cutting edge tech of the Foam-O-Graph© as "montages" which I put down to his unfamiliarity with advances in "digital" visual media in which th' IoF© is at the forefront of.

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  2. Swell screed indeed.
    Seven questions, my ass!

    QUESTION 1
    Lowell Fulson is my favorite Blues semi-slopper.
    Most Rock bands contain at least one semi-slopper. Led Zeppelin had Page. The Rolling Stones have one semi-slipper in Keith and one full-fledged slopper in Ron Wood.
    Monk’s sidemen played jazz, Monk played Monk. Don’t overthink it, just deal with it and enjoy.


    QUESTION 2
    All my favorite music has an African sense of timing.
    Semi-sloppin isn’t necessarily about timing and time-keeping, unless of course the drummer or other members of the rhythm section are semi-sloppers.


    QUESTION 3
    Just like Monk, The Dead play The Dead. As for slop, it just depended on the show. A few Summers ago, I saw several The Dead & Co. shows with my grandchildren: one night they were right on, the next meh….(that John Mayer is a cutie, though)
    I’ve always liked how deceptively simple Little Feat are.

    QUESTION 4

    Geography has nothing to do with it.

    QUESTION 5
    Quite frankly, I’ve always thought Jimi was overrated.


    QUESTION 6
    Edgard Varèse did it all the time (no pun intended).
    What in the wide world of sports is a clever clog?

    QUESTION 7
    Get a music teacher and a Metronome, dead beat.


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    1. Excellent work Babs, I do like a student who reads the exam paper and does what it actually asks. Shame about your answer to Q5 which I’m afraid means you’ll have to stand out in the corridor for the rest of this comments section.

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  3. A pianist pal of mine once said that "Monk plays the cracks between the keys" (maybe he got that from somewhere else), which is a nice way of putting it. The truly great thing about Monk is he's entertaining. There's always a sly sense of fun, not getting all beetle-browed about it. Plus he wrote some great tunes, too.

    The Faces were Full-On Slop, quite an achievement.

    Little Feat? Slop? Nah. I'm not sure why people like to say "in the pocket" (which means loose change and lint to me) but that's probably what they are.

    There'll always be people who think that Hendrix (or Dylan, or the Dead, or whomever) are "overrated". I always try to balance out acts I overrate by underrating others, so I achieve an aggregate accuracy.

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  4. Q1 - Does electric Neil Young count? Jimmy Page live was very sloppy at times, check out some bootlegs. On stage the late John Martyn was often 'very drunk' but no matter how drunk he could play an acoustic guitar better than most, maybe a bit sloppy on electric though.
    Q2 - I don't know.
    Q3 - The Mick Taylor era Stones, were great on record, no sloppiness.
    Q4 - Nothing to do with it.
    Q5 - see above
    Q6 - For goodness sake!
    Q7 - FFS, enough. I'm fed up with all these questions. Delta Dave meet me outside at dusk for a dust up, but please don't hit me on the nose (even tho you probably can't miss it).

    Nice picture of Claudia Lennear.

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    1. Hey Bambi who is Delta Dave? I'll meet both of you outside anytime.

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    2. No sweat Rudolph, how's that unmissable nose doin? And your Q1 response gets full marks by the way, but unfortunately your Q5 response incurred a deduction of all those marks and disqualification.

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    3. Hi DD, I love the gnarly electric Neil Young stuff, I recon it counts as mega-sloppy. I don't blame you for disqualifying me.

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  5. While we wait for DD to come back from the clinic (ongoing issues "down there" - 'nuff said), Neil Young is a great Semi-Slop artist, and I don't think he gets any less so on his studio recordings. Plus, he sings sharp, which is Slop City.

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  6. i judge musicians by their songs. fuck chops. fuck technique. fuck musicians and fans who value those things above songs. a bad song played by a "great" musician is still a bad song. i apologize, but over a half century of frontmanning bands has left me with the patience of a dead gnat. i will settle for sloppy every time because you can hear them sincerely doing their best. there is no worse musical experience than listening to some fucking goddamn SMUG guitar player.

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    1. i knew it! it was YOU that swiped my beer while i was in the rear.

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    2. heck some of the best music is people not even playing "songs'' reference Santana/Buddy Miles ''freeform funkafied filth" or the Grape Jam Moby Grape disc

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    3. One point...

      If you've got the chops you can use them *if and when* you want to.

      If you haven't got them, you can *never* use them.

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    4. Oh, and Zappa's bands were never as tight as people think they were - shit, never as tight as Zappa himself thought they were.

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    5. I thought of Zappa - he doesn't quite fit (anywhere). He's a control freak, which would seem to be Anti-Slop, but he uses random processes in writing and recording. The original Mothers were Ur-Slop, so he replaced them with musicians who could change gear at the raise of an eyebrow. But there's his guitar playing, which seems to stretch time into a place where beats are irrelevant, musical Claymation©. He's a mess, basically, but the early stuff, apart from you wouldn't want to trip out to it, remains brutally wonderful.

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    6. Hey DEPRAVOS rick’s right, music aint just about songs. I too hate smug technical virtuoso guitarists, but after half a century dealing with prima-donut frontman singers, I rather enjoy an instrumental every now and then.

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    7. as a humble but primo donut i would explain to you that instrumentals are songs. i love instrumental songs. we 2 have had a hundred years to understand each other!... and it is STILL a bit shaky!! we are a microcosm of humanity.

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    8. Looks like we understand each other now DEPRAVOS. A frontman singer and a lead guitarist who understand each other. We gotta form a band.

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  7. Stevie Ray Vaughan and Junior Kimbrough are also world-class semi-slopps.

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  8. surprised noone brought up Eddie Hazel era Funkadelic great slop Hawkwind can get pretty sloppy live love slop myself

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  9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1ZnWc-sFd0
    around 3 min. this guy points out the presumed intentionally sloppy Cobain intro to 'teen spirit'

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  10. I dunno about this sloppiness stuff. What you call semi-sloppy just strikes me as relaxed and in the pocket, especially where T-Bone and his ilk are concerned. Sure, they never play a sixteenth note run or indulge in strange time signatures; it's about the groove, always. The 'African sense of timing' you refer to: that's the basis for just about all the music that moves me physically and emotionally.

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    1. Yes indeed apauling, I’m with you on “I dunno about this slopiness stuff” and “it’s about the groove, always”.

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  11. This throws up so many responses in me that I don't think I can make them into a coherent whole.
    So this is going to be random.

    Monk...always makes me think of a child thinking, what will happen if I do this? - with no regard for the fact that no one usually does that. So, you get experiments with time and metre. He'll play things late and see how they fit in where they overlap with what comes next. To me, he's the antithesis of sloppy, and knows exactly what he's doing.

    Naturally sloppy is easy - deliberately sloppy isn't.

    Jeff Beck is sloppy - a lot of what he does is Jeff winging it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but he takes that risk, unlike many others, When he succeeds, he succeeds better than most.

    Jimmy Page is sloppy.

    Mott the Hoople in their heyday were gloriously ramshackle - more so than the Faces and the Stones on occasion. None of them were stellar musicians and it may well be that they personify the old adage "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts".

    Can you be clever and still be sloppy? Yes, Patto. Stunning guitarist in Ollie Halsall, but the context made his playing seem sloppy, when it wasn't.

    Captain Beefheart's earlier Magic Bnads sounded sloppy, but everyome knew what they were playing and when it had to be played.


    Other sloppy players - Mike Bloomfield (although I blame the smack) - Richie Blackmore - Chuck Prophet - Alvin Lee - 1974 King Crimson on a bad night.

    That's it - I'm done.

    Gimme a beer.







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    1. Jeff Beck? Oh wait - he did Hi Ho Silver Lining! Unfortunately, in a decades-long career he did nothing else that stuck like that hippy hat. God knows I've tried with this guy's work, but the only track he cut that thrills like he's supposed to is Happenings Ten Years Time Ago, and that's half Jimmy Page. The res? I scroll slowly past the albums, think nah, nothing to hear here.

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    2. Here’s a virtual pint from me SteveShark. And maybe I was thinkin about the Magic Band boys on Q6

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    1. *wordlessly holds up paper by corner in front of class*

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    2. Perhaps Hazy Dave you’d like to join Babs out in the corridor please.

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  13. Randy California on Spirit Of '76 (and indeed anything else he put his name on in the 70's) is, to these ears, the nil plus ultra of slop. Strangely then that none of his guitar work in the 60's was remotely slop, semi or otherwise. It was almost as if he completely changed his style after cutting The 12 Dreams Of Dr. Sardonicus and embraced the rough hewn as opposed to the finely chiselled.

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    1. I love the Mercury years Spirit, couldn't live without it. It's not the full-blown, home-grown band that cut Sardonicus (and there is no rock album better than that), but there's something unique about it. Son Of Spirit is embedded with great memories for me, one of those Proustian madeleine albums [blow it out yer ass - Ed.].

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  14. Thanks to everybody for their comments and special congratulations to those who answered the questions. Many useful insights and suggestions which I’ll use for my PhD thesis, and claim full credit for. Unfortunately, as far as awarding marks and prizes is concerned, I’m afraid that won’t be possible, as the time allotted for your responses had already expired before the first answer came in (How quickly our precious time evaporates! Pass me a madeleine wouldya Marcel? Thanks). Oh well, I expect you regular people would have been too busy anyway, struggling with the drudgery of your everyday lives, to take a month off and travel with me through the Island time tunnel back to 1973 and that champagne Caribbean holiday with Claudia and Chaka. I’ll be back in 4 weeks. Ciao!

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  15. Little Feat...

    Let's face it, Lowell was a bit of a mess, even though his singing, guitar playing and songwriting were all excellent.

    Fortunately, he was playing with a band who were all capable of locking into the groove, and were highly aware that space and air in the music were key when getting that funk thing going.

    Live, it all worked, even though it was obvious that Lowell was sometimes a tad chemically enhanced. In fact, I reckon that Lowell gave the band that occasional bit of slop that levened the precision of the other five members.

    When i wants a bit of Feat, I always go to the live stuff - the studio albums are a bit too smooth, although Feats Don't Fail Me is in my Top 5 albums of all time.



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    1. He had it all, and at the right time, and it all went up his nose. Great, great singer. VDP said "vanilla grits" which is perfect. Faaaabulous songwriter, if a little - unfocused. Brilliant guitarist. Great looks. Sense of humor. And he done went and spoiled everything. Garcia's descent I can understand, but Lowell never had that kind of pressure and isolation. He had friends and a whole scene going for him and he sucked it right up th' old schnozzola. Graves without flowers. Dumb bastid. I blubbered like a fool when he died, too. Dumb bastid.

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    2. "20 Million Things" is one of the most beautiful songs ever written and sung beautifully by the man himself.

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    3. Have you ever tried singin' along? That timing is the weirdest, slipperiest thing. Stretches some notes out over beats that shouldn't even be there, but it all sounds so natural and easy.

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    4. Thst's premium grade semi-slop you're describing there Farq.

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    5. I have, and I agree. The rhythm is really odd. And I can't hit the high notes of course, but that's another matter.

      Lowell's solo album is hit and miss, but when it hits, it hits hard.

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    6. My favourite Feat has to be the bootleg Electrif Lycanthrope, a live session for WLIR in Sept 1974. In fact it's also probably my favourite Boot of all and surely one of the greatest 70's recordings full stop, legit or otherwise. The band lock into that groove and George is giving it buckets of slop. Now I think of it I reckon it needs its own dedicated Isle o' Foam spot. May be I should write a thing...

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    7. Write that screed, Dr. D! Leave it in a comment to this piece:

      https://falsememoryfoam.blogspot.com/2020/04/were-looking-for-guys-what-like-to.html

      - I'll pick it up and save it as a draft. FiveGunsWest got hisself straight long enought to wite his debut piece, and that'll be up in a couple of days.



      (there is a metric tonne of Little Feat bootlegs on th' Isle O' Foam© - try our patented "search" facility!)

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    8. You're right, Dr D. EL is probably their best live set - good sound quality with the Feat pretty much at their best - before a touch of jazz rock set in and Lowell took his offstage breaks during it.

      We're very lucky to have so much live Feat available and much of it at reasonable to very good sound quality.


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    9. I'm pretty sure ELectric Lycanthrope is included in one of Farq's Feat offerings...

      And yes, when Feat turned into Weather Report, I turned away...it might have been fabulous technically, but it had no heart. Which pretty much describes all Feat-related activites post-Lowell. Without Lowell George, there's no Little Feat.

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    10. It's here -

      https://falsememoryfoam.blogspot.com/2019/08/little-boots-part-fourth.html

      The link's down, though. Let me know if you wants.

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  16. Nothing sloppy about this writing -- great piece! Since I missed the deadline, I'm not going to complete the assignment (I'm taking this class pass/fail anyway) but I'll just add that when it comes to music, "it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing." I tried but never could enjoy prog-rock precision (the ELP and Yes variety). Semi-slop in my mind is being loose with the beat and coloring outside the lines a bit improvisationally as long as it can brought back in (otherwise it's just sloppy which can also be fine if your the Replacements or some such band prized for their artful sloppiness). Anyway, thanks for the great Doctoral Prospectus!

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  17. Geography...speaking of geography and the blues, I used to tape trade with a guy in Tokyo back in the early 90s. As it was cassettes, we often filled up the any tape leftover after the requested shows with filler from local bands. Somewhere I have a tape of a Japanese blues band doing covers of songs like Little Richard's "Lucille..." but they learn the "lyrics" phonetically. It has the SOUND of English, but it's gibberish.

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    1. I once found a Japanese copy of Elvis' Jailhouse Rock soundtrack in my local library and the sleevenote lyrics were exactly like that - transcribed into English but making no sense at all.

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    2. Yeah....back in the 80s, my brother had a 5-LP box set from Japan of the Beach Boys hits...with a lyric sheet. Heck...most of us AMERICANS need help with the jargon. A flathead mill? Dual quad positraction? Hand-formed panels, tuck-and-roll rear pan? So I don't fault 'em for turning "She makes the Indy 500 look like a Roman chariot race" into "She makes the 8500 into a roaming cherry at place."

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  18. Also...there's slop, and then there's personally weird internal time. As in "this time around it's 13 bars, but every other time it's a 12 bar blues." Bob Dylan, John Lee Hooker....sure, you can just drop in a few extra bars (or beats) any time you like....the band will eventually catch up.

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  19. QUESTION 1
    Almost every good 60's and 70's band had semi-slop guitar players. To the ones already mentioned in comments above, I wold add Robby Krieger and Joe Strummer. Mind that this was before the advent of drum machines in the 80's, after which everyone was very much forced to follow a machine. Even real drummers.

    QUESTION 2
    It is definitely a groove thing. Swing, shuffle, are all named given by music theoricist (like us) to semi-sloppin.

    QUESTION 4
    Not at all. Everywhere you can find a good dose of alcohol or weed will help to achieve optimum states of semi-sloppiness.

    QUESTION 5
    Technology killed the semi-sloppiness. See my answer to Q5. Quantization is rubbish.

    QUESTION 6
    No way. It is purely a feel issue.

    QUESTION 7
    Semi-sloppin may be just lazy, unless you are aiming to reach that expertise state you've referred to sound natural and right. It will depend on the style you're playing, of course. Thinl about reggae, for example.

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  20. Nice piece, BTW... at least for us fucking guitarists

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  21. Hey Nico thanks for your comments. I’m with you on quantization. And drum machines, with the single exception of Sly Stone, who was so damn funky that he found a way to make early drum machines sound perfectly cool.

    And I leave alcohol alone when there’s a guitar in my hands, for me it’s a total sloppiness drug, 100% the wrong kind of blur.

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