Three Or Four Guy© Nobby pops his IoF© cherry with this timely and provocative screed about a skinny twat from up north, where it's grim. Take it away, th' Nobster!
I wouldn't say [sez Nobby - Ed.] I'm big on poetry, but according to my gig diary (does anyone else keep one?), I have seen Ivor Cutler, Linton Kwesi Johnston and Alex O'Connor (who?) once apiece and JCC three times, so I guess he qualifies as my favourite poet, and definitely the funniest.
I first encountered him on the John Peel Show (where else) in late 1977. It was his debut ep on Rabid Records “Suspended Sentence”, just another diverse act that was on the go in the "Punk Years". If you listened regularly to Peel, like I did, you’d realise that there was a lot more going on than just bash it out 1234 punk, and JCC is a good example. Someone that had been around for a while but was then brought to prominence by the scene that developed around it. Here's a clip from Tony Wilson's Granada TV show from a pre punk 1976 featuring JCC being interviewed whilst working in the stores at Salford Tech including some live performances:
Here [left - Ed.] is a flyer where he was supported by Joy Division, fellow mancs that he was linked with a lot, from their early days as Warsaw and later with New Order, but he also did many gigs with The Clash, Sex Pistols and Buzzcocks.
Reading his autobiography "I Wanna Be Yours" it was apparent that most of his well known poems were written well before the punk era, “I Married A Monster from Outerspace” being written in the mid sixties. I was also amazed to find that his first paid gig was at Bernard Manning's cabaret club, where he auditioned with Salome Malone, the Queen of the Ritz, who, memorably ".. fell off her stiletto heels, and broke her fucking neck" which got him the gig because it appealed to Mr Manning's memories of that club.
His influences seem to have come from essentially the same places as the pop art brigade, i.e. commercial mass culture, TV and films of the '50s and '60s, although he makes special reference to Edgar Allan Poe and Mad Comics. His English teacher gets a chapter to himself, and it was he who taught him the importance of reading poetry out loud “if it doesn’t sound any good it’s because it isn’t any good”. Another influence he acknowledges is the poetry of Cassius Clay.
During his heyday in the late 70's everyone thought that his fast delivery came from speed but if was in fact heroin which led to him sharing a flat with Nico and disappearing from the scene in the 80’s. Looking for drugs on a visit to Holland, Nico rang up her supplier over there who came up with the goods. Years later JCC was watching a film about Chet Baker and recognised him as the dealer!
Does his stuff translate to an international audience? You'll have to tell me. There's a lot of dialogue that relates to Manchester alone, never mind England. Beasley Street in particular evokes the English 1970's urban environment full of parochial references such as the title of this screed, which (I think) refers to narrow drainpipe trousers and winklepicker shoes, but how many of you would recognise that? And who now remembers Keith Joseph?
So to the downloads: After a great deal of arguing amongst myself (I've got a split personality and I hate both of them) I've taken the live 10" lp "Walking Back To Happiness" added some more live tracks and then compiled a separate album with a few of the music ones. Each track has retained it's original album sleeve so you can tell where they came from. Also included is a BBC Radio 4 documentary, which probably gives you better coverage of his career than I've managed here.
Nobby earns not only the grudging respect of his confreres with this swell screed and sumptuous blister-pack of deliverables, but also his own Trading Card, soon to appear in the sidebar! Oboy!
Nobby's linkage du jour o' th' day: https://www.imagenetz.de/eYu5d
ReplyDeleteOver to Babs for today's Topique De Branlage!
Other than digital music files, do you collect anything?
ReplyDeleteI like to collect plastic action figures. I like the way they're sculpted. Here's some good ones - https://violencetoy.com/collections/shop/products/gorelords-flesh-color It's not easy to find this kind of thing. Strangely, they tend to go up in value.
ReplyDeleteThose gorelords look great.
DeleteThey're the coveted flesh gorelords.
DeleteDamnit Bloggers started calling me anonymous.
DeleteBambi - I accidentally allowed my mac to do an update, I normally ignore them.
My collecting days are over. I used to be obsessive (print, vinyl, mainly), and lived in a room where the walls were covered with shelves of treasures. Now everything accrues, in spite of my best efforts. I'm sitting in a house I (had) built, surrounded by stuff that seems to float up and adhere to me with no real effort. Frothed up out of nothing to nowhere. I won't miss that when it's gone, either, but I enjoyed my collections when I had them - more than most personal relationships.
ReplyDeleteI used to collect guitars, but downsized when we moved here. Then I upsized a bit...although I don't really collect them now.
ReplyDeleteGreat piece, yer Nobship! I love the guy and I've seen him a couple of times.
ReplyDeleteKeith Joseph? I recall one of the Private Eye (UK satirical magazine) flexi-discs with a line in it - "Sir Sheath Joseph: that well-known Tory contraceptive.
Beasley Street? Brilliant and just as relevant today.
Worth mentioning that many people will have heard JCC in "The Sopranos", which used "Chickentown". Was it just once, or was it twice?
Thank you again!
Thanks Steve and a.so Farq for bestowing such an honour on me.
DeleteAh yes, Chickentown, it's the only thing that niggles me about JCC, as he has never given much credit to one Captain Hamish Blair and his poem "Bloody Orkneys", written while he was stationed there during WW2.
I remember this from being a small child as it was published in "Verse and Worse", a great anthology of amusing poems originally published in the '50s. It was thought of then as being very risque because of the "b" word, my how times change. You may, like me, see certain similarities to "Evidently Chickentown". In fact when I look at some of the other stuff in the book, I would be amazed if he hadn't read the whole book as a child.
When researching it on the internet, I came up with this site, which has the original poem and also some replies, finishing off with a version even more similar to Chickentown, or at least the version he does live, with fs rather bs. Incidentally I think whoever has transcribed this should have used the town Falkirk rather than Halkirk, which I think is what it is meant to be.
http://bytesdaily.blogspot.com/2018/04/more-bloody-poetry.html
I still have "Verse & Worse". The Faber paperback with the red cover - very old and battered now.
DeleteThat's the bunny. My wife is also a big fan of it. She is blessed with a fantastic memory and every so often will blurt out some lines from a poem that has been stored away in some dark and dingy area of her brain. Nine times out of ten it will be from Verse and Worse. e.g.
DeleteI eat my peas with honey
I've done it all my life
It makes the peas taste funny
But it keeps them on the knife
Anyone wanting to read this excellent anthology can bag a copy here. There's a variety of formats.
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What a pleasure, thank you for the book of verse! I was glad to see an old favorite, "What a wonderful bird the frog are."
DeleteAs for "Bloody Orkneys", I did read one interview with JCC in which he acknowledged that he must have read it in his youth.
just dust.
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DeleteWe have a winner!
I'll second that.
DeleteAnother package of goodies for you all. This one includes his autobiography "I Wanna Be Yours" and a collection of his poetry " Ten Years in an Open Necked Shirt" plus a couple of Erics flyers including the one above, but in a more legible form, with fun facts of what bands you could see for £1 or even for free back in 1978/9. Thats the sort of ephemera that I collect!
ReplyDeleteJCC in print.rar 16.95 MB
https://www.imagenetz.de/m6PjK
Thanks Nobby, I've enjoyed him live a couple of times, I think supporting The Fall on both occasions.
ReplyDeleteAccording to his autobiography, JCC was an unofficial uncle to Mark E Smith when he was a teenager. So he looked out for him and stopped him getting arrested for underage drinking and whatnot. His mother ran the local post office/ newsagents :
Delete"One afternoon as I was speed-reading Automart in the post office, Mrs Smith volunteered the following information, ‘Our Mark’s in one of those punk-rock groups.’ What the . . .? Huh? In my eyes, Mark was just a kid, so I thought, ‘What, him? This I’ve gotta see.’ Of course he was sensational, transformative, right from the start. Smithy reinvented himself on stage, and that’s what rock and roll is there for. He achieved this without actually doing very much. He had a kind of glamour that was invisible in everyday life, but take him out of the crowd and stick him in front of a microphone and hey presto – Captain Charisma."
Very nice piece, Nobby. Cool trading card, too!
DeleteJohn Cooper Clarke was popular on the New York Punk scene, during the late 70s. I saw him on the same bill with Richard Hell & The Voidoids at either CBGB or Max’s Kansas City.
He did a tour in the UK with Richard Hell supporting Elvis Costello - one of the few EC tours I missed.
DeleteSo, Babs, can you answer the question of whether he translated to an American audience? You seem to like him, but is that because you were in the UK for a time?
Generally speaking, I would have to say the vast majority of Americans have never heard of John Cooper Clarke. That said, in American cities that had a major Punk scene (New York, L.A., Boston and Chicago) in the late 70s/early 80s, he was appreciated as thinking person's Punk. Moreover, many Punk fans were, musically speaking, anglophiles, so their ears were “tuned” to various Brit accents.
DeleteI lived in Bristol in 1972/73, where every day was ‘International Talk Like a Pirate Day’ (it’s a thing https://www.awarenessdays.com/awareness-days-calendar/international-talk-like-a-pirate-day-2022/)
Ooh arrrr - lol!
As an American fan of John Cooper Clarke, I don't always understand what he says, but I love the way he says it. The same goes for Mark E. Smith.
DeleteI first encountered JCC in 1981. He performed "Health Fanatic" in the concert film "Urgh", and he appeared on the Rough Trade/NME cassette C81 ("The Day My Pad Went Mad").
CBS and Epic didn't release his records in the US, but they weren't hard to find.
I also enjoy the "punk poets" Seething Wells, Attila The Stockbroker, and the late great Jock Scot.
Just remembered that "Chicken Town" was on this 1980 US compilation LP:
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Also bought this poetry compilation LP on import:
https://www.discogs.com/release/6341269-Various-Poetry-Olympics-Vol-1
Jonder , thanks for the reference fo the poetry olympics lp, I haven't heard of that, must try to find a copy.
DeleteI collect Jazz & Blues 78 rpm records, and antique skeleton keys.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you play the 78s on, Babs?
DeleteI’m using a Rega Planar 78, which, as its name suggests, only has one speed.
DeleteI didn't know that such things existed!
DeleteI should have done, I suppose, given that almost everything else does.
The IoF - not only entertaining, but educational as well.
I used to have a stack of 78s that I bought at a jumble sale for pennies - some old blues sides in the lot, including Lonnie Johnson. I can't remember what happened to them.
Educational indeed, never heard of rega before and am now amazed to find that they are made in the uk. Can't think of anything else we still make apart from Brompton folding bikes. I play my two 78s (Lord Beginner : Victory Test Match Special and Little Richard : Keep A Knocking as you're asking) on a portable 1960's (?) Phillips record player in a zipped fabric container that looks like a hat box. Bought it for a fiver in a charity shop and I have to keep dripping WD40 down the spindle hole to keep it going at roughly the right speed. Also use it to play any really ropey 2nd hand records.
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DeleteTwo more high-end English audio manufactures are: Creek and NAD.
DeleteI used to collect vinyl, and also had quite a few books. The vinyl stays but many of the books have gone, most books once I have read them, they then go to the charity shop. The vinyl collection is too big, so now if I buy an album, one (that I don't play) in the collection has to go.
ReplyDeleteI have a second hand Rega Planar 2, that I bought 20+ years ago, use it most days and have only had it serviced once.
I recently replaced a Rega Planet CD transport, that I purchased in 1997, with the Saturn mk3.
DeleteEvery Rega owner, I’ve spoken to, seems to have similar stories to yours and mine, regarding lifespan of Rega products.
My only complaint about Rega turntables is that the lid hinges don't last for 20+ years, so I need to order some replacements.
DeleteI saw him in Rafters on Oxford Road. He was supporting the Freshies (great band; Chris Sievey was a genius in his own way) - or maybe the Freshies were supporting him. Whatever! It was a great night. After he'd done his thing he came to stand at the bar. I bought him a pint which he downed and bought me one back. We had a chat. A gentleman and a scholar. God, I miss Manchester! Thanks for this great post and the download. Much obliged.
ReplyDeleteBy the way - I meant JCC, not that tosser Keith Joseph...
ReplyDeleteI'm in love with the girl on the Manchester Virgin megastore checkout desk (but don't tell the wife). Consults gig diary - Liverpool Poly 6/12/1979 Freshies named first, JCC second, so they must have been supporting him.
ReplyDeleteGlad you like the post, Walking Back to Happiness never seems to have been released on CD, but I think it's the best thing he did. It's the most representative of his live act and has a nice flow to it, with inbetween song patter, and shouts from the audience for old favourites. Not forgetting that its also on clear vinyl. Apologies for mucking up the splitting of the final tracks.
Funnily enough, I did actually see Keith Joseph, live at Liverpool University, although it's not listed in my gig diary. He was the Minister for Education and you couldn't hear anything he said for the booing. I just wandered in from the bar one lunchtime, to see what the noise was about.
ReplyDeleteI agree about Walking Back To Happiness - JCC is best heard llive and bandless. He's as much stand-up as poet - even if he did get on the GCSE syllabus. Though the kids probably didn't study 'Twat'. Which would describe Keith Joseph - Thatcher's very own Dominic Cummings.
ReplyDeletePossible GCSE question : Twat, the best put down "song" since Positively Fourth Street? Discuss.
ReplyDeleteI was teaching when KJ was Education Minister. I took part in the one day strikes and used them to go and stand outside the County Offices in Aylesbury.and demonstrate. Those were the days...
ReplyDeleteDemonstrate with other fellow union members, I hasten to add. Not on my own - that would have been a bit odd.
ReplyDeleteI collect sensitive seduction lines, and in a sweeping survey of Farq's ex-wives they all reported the same:
ReplyDelete"Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?"
Well, he caught my ear in Berkeley in '78...on the Short Circuit - Live At The Electric Circus live compiliation, he was the clear winner. I later had the Live EP, and two of the albums...but the "live" JCC with no music was what I loved. A few of the tracks work (The Day My Pad Went Mad springs to mind...) but most of them sounded like they'd been tacked on, they weren't how the poems were meant to go.
ReplyDeletePlus, the live audience shouting and egging him on is part of the fun. Sharrup! Y'know wot's up an elephant's trunk? Any seen a notebook and a pair of chest expanders? Holidays of the package kind....Forty years later and that stuff is still branded in my brain.
Now, I looked at a globe I have here, and the north of England is about half an inch from London, about the same as the distance from here to Fresno. It's hard to imagine that they're all that different but I've seen (at a distance) that there's some sort of rivalry.
And as someone brought it up....was Rafter's named after someone named Rafter, or was it named after the framing that holds up the roof of the joint in question? Enquiring dRAFTERvoi's are interested...
Excellent, I'm pleased to see that he has crossed the Atlantic, you've absolutely nailed it, ...package holidays, holidays of the package kind.. sort of sums it up. The line ...she fell of her stiletto heels and broke her fucking neck... will stay with me forever.
DeleteLook at your globe again and see how far Manchester is from Liverpool or Newcastle...totally different cultures.
Hi, Nobby (A Fine Old English....),
DeleteI've paid attention to rock n' roll geography. Britain's population density supports more bands in a smaller area. Easier to pack the equipment in a van and drive for an hour and there's a new place to play. Here there's the Bay Area...and then it's 600 miles to Portland or 400 miles to L.A. East...it's even more dire...it's 1,800 miles to Austin. There are cities out there...but places like Reno, Salt Lake City, Boise, Albuquerque....never really had "scenes."
Hi Draftervoi, I've been thinking about what I said about different cultures. Yes they do exist in the UK but what I think made the UK music scene so good was that the UK was small enough to have a national tv and radio network. Therefore these cultures continued to develop seperately but were accessible to all, which bred a good rivalry. The John Peel show was great for being able to showcase all of them.
DeleteSome cities developed scenes and others didn't and I've never quite worked out why. The obvious one was Liverpool in the sixties, which I wasn't around to see, and again in the late seventies which I saw first hand.
http://blog.shelflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/liverpool19801.jpg
Another city I know about is Newcastle, which had it's famous band in the sixties (The Animals) and club (ClubAGoGo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o3_WunegMY
but never developed a scene.
Sounds like someone, more erudite than I, should write a book about what goes into creating a scene.
Nobby, thank you so much for the John Cooper Clarke recordings and print. I have Walking Back To Happiness in a stack of vinyl that I meant to digitize.
ReplyDeleteI collect Walt Kelly's Pogo books and R.A. Lafferty's novels and short stories. The older I get, the fewer records I buy.
Clarence, forgive but I am not able to see your shoes, so cannot comment on their appeal to the fairer sex, however I have noticed what looks to be the collar of a gaberdine mac in your striking portrait. Surely JCC's Gaberdine Angus can't be tribute to your good self, can it?
ReplyDeleteYou recognize sartorial class, sir. (It's all in the upbringing.)
ReplyDeleteTo Nobby - I can just about see Positively Fourth Street as a poem but I can't imagine Twat as a song. So my answer would be that they are different animals but Twat is the more venemous. To draftervoi - short answer: I don't know. I can't remember if there was an apostrophe involved. But one night a week (as when the JCC/Freshies thing happened) it changed its name to The Illuminated 666 Club. I don't recall any rafters or beams in the place though. It was low-ceilinged, ground floor.
ReplyDeleteheres some further reading if interested.. apolgies for the multi link but I struggle with the technology....
ReplyDeleteA Crafty Cigarette Tales of a Teenage Mod, The Luckiest Guy Alive, I Wanna Be Yours and Ten Years in an Open Necked Shirt
https://www.imagenetz.de/xqpmY
https://www.imagenetz.de/kPa2z
https://www.imagenetz.de/iZkEA
https://www.imagenetz.de/bSezV
Thanks "Nobster" and congrats on the swell trading card, it's a doozy!
ReplyDeleteNo problem, I thoroughly enjoyed doing it. As for the trading card, wow, I don't know how Farq managed to get the likeness so spot on, even down to the dames hanging on my every word, it's uncanny.
DeleteThe most unusual I know: a friend's boss collects vintage oxen collars (yes, the ones used to pull)
ReplyDeleteAlso in some kind of forensics deposit in Buenos Aires there's a displayed collection of objects found by medics into people's rectums.
It sounds like some JCC poem but it's just the world we live in...
Excuse my latin, that should've said "recti" or something
ReplyDeleteNobby - nutty screed received and appreciated!
ReplyDeleteNutty ? Got it eventually duh!!
ReplyDeleteNobby - screed received in good order - thank you! (We're okay for screed for a while now - I'll shout when we get short).
ReplyDeleteOk, I've got a couple of bits that I've started and I'll finish, but I'll put them to one side until I hear your shout.
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